Comments on: Please! Kill him but let me go: Laura on #10 http://cereblog.org/2009/04/10/please-kill-him-but-let-me-go-laura-on-10/ Just another WordPress.com weblog Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:27:06 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: “If Cerebus isn’t careful, he’s going to start a whole new religion”: Leigh on #11 « Cerebus: A Diablog http://cereblog.org/2009/04/10/please-kill-him-but-let-me-go-laura-on-10/#comment-369 “If Cerebus isn’t careful, he’s going to start a whole new religion”: Leigh on #11 « Cerebus: A Diablog Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:19:51 +0000 http://cereblog.org/?p=435#comment-369 [...] even carries over from the previous issue, although all that buildup of the Black Lotus is rather amusingly deflated when the Bug literally [...] [...] even carries over from the previous issue, although all that buildup of the Black Lotus is rather amusingly deflated when the Bug literally [...]

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By: Laura Hudson http://cereblog.org/2009/04/10/please-kill-him-but-let-me-go-laura-on-10/#comment-308 Laura Hudson Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:38:04 +0000 http://cereblog.org/?p=435#comment-308 I realize now that I didn't make this clear, but I absolutely agree that Sim was ripping on the absurd costume conventions of Red Sonja, not perpetuating them. Also, I like your alterna-title, Leigh. "Merchant of Unshib" gave me flashbacks to history classes and tedious discussions about artisans and textiles in European history. On a related note, why wasn't there ever a Sierra game called Death Quest? I feel like opportunities were missed. I realize now that I didn’t make this clear, but I absolutely agree that Sim was ripping on the absurd costume conventions of Red Sonja, not perpetuating them.

Also, I like your alterna-title, Leigh. “Merchant of Unshib” gave me flashbacks to history classes and tedious discussions about artisans and textiles in European history. On a related note, why wasn’t there ever a Sierra game called Death Quest? I feel like opportunities were missed.

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By: Matthew J. Brady http://cereblog.org/2009/04/10/please-kill-him-but-let-me-go-laura-on-10/#comment-307 Matthew J. Brady Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:09:41 +0000 http://cereblog.org/?p=435#comment-307 Is this the issue with the joke about the boob rash? I wasn't always especially entertained by these early issues of the series, but I liked that one. I think it goes: Sophia (ripping off her top): What do you think of THESE? Cerebus: They would probably heal if you stopped wearing that chain mail. That's probably not right, but it's a funny bit nonetheless. Sean's right though; it's interesting the way Sim still referenced events in these "earlier, funner" issues, including the way Sophia came back into the story in a much less ridiculous way. Ah, but we'll get to that later (much later, at this rate), I'm sure. Is this the issue with the joke about the boob rash? I wasn’t always especially entertained by these early issues of the series, but I liked that one. I think it goes:

Sophia (ripping off her top): What do you think of THESE?
Cerebus: They would probably heal if you stopped wearing that chain mail.

That’s probably not right, but it’s a funny bit nonetheless.

Sean’s right though; it’s interesting the way Sim still referenced events in these “earlier, funner” issues, including the way Sophia came back into the story in a much less ridiculous way. Ah, but we’ll get to that later (much later, at this rate), I’m sure.

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By: Sean R http://cereblog.org/2009/04/10/please-kill-him-but-let-me-go-laura-on-10/#comment-305 Sean R Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:46:13 +0000 http://cereblog.org/?p=435#comment-305 Just wanted to reiterate that Red Sophia is a pretty dead-on parody of Red Sonia/Sonya. Dave seemed to, even in the very early issues, use the interesting (and to me, unseen or underused) technique of including outright parody but also using the parodic figures (and their attendant traits) in a serious way within the structure of the story. Some of this comes across at retconning for me (i.e. I put in a joke fifteen years ago and now I have to explain it in the context of the story) but a lot of them seem to work right off the bat. Sophia is totally ridiculous. She's acknowledged as ridiculous by Cerebus (see Leigh's chainmail reference). And yet she exists (magically?) in the world as-is. I think this tendency could go a long way to explaining the Comics Journal's long-time cool attitude towards the series, especially in relation to the (infamous?) Roach, who we'll be meeting soon... Just wanted to reiterate that Red Sophia is a pretty dead-on parody of Red Sonia/Sonya. Dave seemed to, even in the very early issues, use the interesting (and to me, unseen or underused) technique of including outright parody but also using the parodic figures (and their attendant traits) in a serious way within the structure of the story. Some of this comes across at retconning for me (i.e. I put in a joke fifteen years ago and now I have to explain it in the context of the story) but a lot of them seem to work right off the bat. Sophia is totally ridiculous. She’s acknowledged as ridiculous by Cerebus (see Leigh’s chainmail reference). And yet she exists (magically?) in the world as-is. I think this tendency could go a long way to explaining the Comics Journal’s long-time cool attitude towards the series, especially in relation to the (infamous?) Roach, who we’ll be meeting soon…

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By: Leigh Walton http://cereblog.org/2009/04/10/please-kill-him-but-let-me-go-laura-on-10/#comment-304 Leigh Walton Sat, 11 Apr 2009 06:57:56 +0000 http://cereblog.org/?p=435#comment-304 Alas, she appears to have some kind of knapsack. Sim does seem aware of the impracticalities of Sophia's outfit -- see Cerebus' deadpan joke about her boob rash. "Throgo" is the best name since "Thugg the Unseemly." Nice observation with the "makes me wonder whether he secretly wanted that too"... that feels a bit like retconning layers of emotional depth where they weren't originally intended, but honestly you almost have to in a project of this nature. Why the hell is this issue called "Merchant of Unshib!"? I had to look it up, but it refers to the guy traveling with the Lotus. Interesting that he never appears on-panel. Why not call it "Death-Quest for the Black Lotus!" or some other more descriptive phrase? "Merchant" wasn't an exciting title when Shakespeare used it either, and at least Venice is a place we've heard of. [in defense of Shakespeare, the full title is pretty exciting: "The most excellent historie of the merchant of Venice. With the extreame crueltie of Shylocke the Iewe towards the sayd merchant, in cutting a iust pound of his flesh: and the obtayning of Portia by the choyse of three chests."] What the hell is Cerebus going to do now that he has this thing? Why did Dave allow him to make it to the end of the issue without having it ironically taken away from him? I got to the end and thought there must be pages missing -- not only the lack of poetic justice but also no structural hints that the story has reached a conclusion. Luckily the next issue will pick right up where we left off. Alas, she appears to have some kind of knapsack.

Sim does seem aware of the impracticalities of Sophia’s outfit — see Cerebus’ deadpan joke about her boob rash.

“Throgo” is the best name since “Thugg the Unseemly.”

Nice observation with the “makes me wonder whether he secretly wanted that too”… that feels a bit like retconning layers of emotional depth where they weren’t originally intended, but honestly you almost have to in a project of this nature.

Why the hell is this issue called “Merchant of Unshib!”? I had to look it up, but it refers to the guy traveling with the Lotus. Interesting that he never appears on-panel. Why not call it “Death-Quest for the Black Lotus!” or some other more descriptive phrase? “Merchant” wasn’t an exciting title when Shakespeare used it either, and at least Venice is a place we’ve heard of.

[in defense of Shakespeare, the full title is pretty exciting: "The most excellent historie of the merchant of Venice. With the extreame crueltie of Shylocke the Iewe towards the sayd merchant, in cutting a iust pound of his flesh: and the obtayning of Portia by the choyse of three chests."]

What the hell is Cerebus going to do now that he has this thing? Why did Dave allow him to make it to the end of the issue without having it ironically taken away from him? I got to the end and thought there must be pages missing — not only the lack of poetic justice but also no structural hints that the story has reached a conclusion. Luckily the next issue will pick right up where we left off.

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