Comments on: The bleached skeleton of a less lucky man: Laura on Cerebus #2 http://cereblog.org/2009/01/13/the-bleached-skeleton-of-a-less-lucky-man-laura-on-cerebus-2/ Just another WordPress.com weblog Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:27:06 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Eric http://cereblog.org/2009/01/13/the-bleached-skeleton-of-a-less-lucky-man-laura-on-cerebus-2/#comment-342 Eric Thu, 14 May 2009 20:40:04 +0000 http://cereblog.org/?p=53#comment-342 I find it somewhat amusing and confusing that talk of Sim's misogyny always motivates discussion, far more than discussion of plot line, artwork, the comics biz, satire, religion, and all the other myriad strands Cerebus dealt with throughout its run. That being said, I commend the writers of this blog for (so far, I have only read up to this entry) focusing on these other aspects of the comic, in addition to the historical circumstances of its creation. One critic noted that reading Cerebus in the phonebooks perhaps misses the spirit of Cerebus, and perhaps the point: that is, that reading Cerebus on a monthly basis was taking part in a cultural experience that, in the pre-twitter, pre-blog, pre-internet halcyon days of fandom (where discussion took place at comic book shops, through letters, or via fanzines, etc.), reading a comic book was a far more immediate social act that, for all its immediacy and accessibility, the world of internet blogs can never entirely replace. The phone books certainly give a reader no sense of that social aspect as it (mostly) omits the "surrounding" material of letters column, letters from the editor, news, the back-up comics that Sim so generously promoted, the convention news, the tours, and so on, and so on . . . I find it somewhat amusing and confusing that talk of Sim’s misogyny always motivates discussion, far more than discussion of plot line, artwork, the comics biz, satire, religion, and all the other myriad strands Cerebus dealt with throughout its run.

That being said, I commend the writers of this blog for (so far, I have only read up to this entry) focusing on these other aspects of the comic, in addition to the historical circumstances of its creation. One critic noted that reading Cerebus in the phonebooks perhaps misses the spirit of Cerebus, and perhaps the point: that is, that reading Cerebus on a monthly basis was taking part in a cultural experience that, in the pre-twitter, pre-blog, pre-internet halcyon days of fandom (where discussion took place at comic book shops, through letters, or via fanzines, etc.), reading a comic book was a far more immediate social act that, for all its immediacy and accessibility, the world of internet blogs can never entirely replace.

The phone books certainly give a reader no sense of that social aspect as it (mostly) omits the “surrounding” material of letters column, letters from the editor, news, the back-up comics that Sim so generously promoted, the convention news, the tours, and so on, and so on . . .

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By: “Put a few kinks in their pseudopods”: Leigh on Cerebus #9 « Cerebus: A Diablog http://cereblog.org/2009/01/13/the-bleached-skeleton-of-a-less-lucky-man-laura-on-cerebus-2/#comment-292 “Put a few kinks in their pseudopods”: Leigh on Cerebus #9 « Cerebus: A Diablog Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:14:54 +0000 http://cereblog.org/?p=53#comment-292 [...] different, and acting as though this isn’t identical to the “Eye of Terim” from issue #2. He even has Cerebus recall an encounter with these creatures “in his youth,” pointedly [...] [...] different, and acting as though this isn’t identical to the “Eye of Terim” from issue #2. He even has Cerebus recall an encounter with these creatures “in his youth,” pointedly [...]

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By: Leigh Walton http://cereblog.org/2009/01/13/the-bleached-skeleton-of-a-less-lucky-man-laura-on-cerebus-2/#comment-213 Leigh Walton Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:08:20 +0000 http://cereblog.org/?p=53#comment-213 Found Dave's comments on the Succubus issue: http://www.cereb.us/wiki/index.php?title=Cerebus_(Phonebook) Found Dave’s comments on the Succubus issue:
http://www.cereb.us/wiki/index.php?title=Cerebus_(Phonebook)

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By: Laura Hudson http://cereblog.org/2009/01/13/the-bleached-skeleton-of-a-less-lucky-man-laura-on-cerebus-2/#comment-108 Laura Hudson Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:38:12 +0000 http://cereblog.org/?p=53#comment-108 Wooooord. Wooooord.

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By: Jeremy http://cereblog.org/2009/01/13/the-bleached-skeleton-of-a-less-lucky-man-laura-on-cerebus-2/#comment-102 Jeremy Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:49:11 +0000 http://cereblog.org/?p=53#comment-102 Okay, I appreciate that Oliver and Laura I was trying to point out that he made those assumptions based on the fact that I am a male and if I were female they would have been perceived differently. Let's just leave it there for now as I don't believe any of us have a desire to turn this into something silly. Jeremy Okay, I appreciate that Oliver and Laura I was trying to point out that he made those assumptions based on the fact that I am a male and if I were female they would have been perceived differently.
Let’s just leave it there for now as I don’t believe any of us have a desire to turn this into something silly.

Jeremy

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By: Oliver http://cereblog.org/2009/01/13/the-bleached-skeleton-of-a-less-lucky-man-laura-on-cerebus-2/#comment-95 Oliver Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:44:55 +0000 http://cereblog.org/?p=53#comment-95 "Also, I have no idea why Leigh just got called sexist." Leigh's outburst puzzled me and I have no idea why he called Jeremy sexist -Leigh made a lot of assumptions. “Also, I have no idea why Leigh just got called sexist.”
Leigh’s outburst puzzled me and I have no idea why he called Jeremy sexist -Leigh made a lot of assumptions.

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By: Bitch, please: Laura on Cerebus #3 « Cerebus: A Diablog http://cereblog.org/2009/01/13/the-bleached-skeleton-of-a-less-lucky-man-laura-on-cerebus-2/#comment-91 Bitch, please: Laura on Cerebus #3 « Cerebus: A Diablog Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:03:04 +0000 http://cereblog.org/?p=53#comment-91 [...] where Cerebus was with a female since the inception of the comic.” Although there’s been some discussion about whether the succubus in the previous issue already dabbled obliquely in gender [...] [...] where Cerebus was with a female since the inception of the comic.” Although there’s been some discussion about whether the succubus in the previous issue already dabbled obliquely in gender [...]

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By: Laura Hudson http://cereblog.org/2009/01/13/the-bleached-skeleton-of-a-less-lucky-man-laura-on-cerebus-2/#comment-89 Laura Hudson Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:32:03 +0000 http://cereblog.org/?p=53#comment-89 I think a number of people are putting a lot more energy in responding to the things they anticipate I'm going to say, rather than to the things I've actually said. I have no problem with getting called on things -- or kept on my toes, if you will -- but doing so preemptively or based on assumptions about me being female rather than the ideas I'm expressing is just going to make this weird for everyone. I'm trying to approach Dave Sim's work with as few preconceived notions as possible, and I think we can have much more productive and interesting discussions if more people try to do the same with me. Also, I have no idea why Leigh just got called sexist. I think a number of people are putting a lot more energy in responding to the things they anticipate I’m going to say, rather than to the things I’ve actually said. I have no problem with getting called on things — or kept on my toes, if you will — but doing so preemptively or based on assumptions about me being female rather than the ideas I’m expressing is just going to make this weird for everyone. I’m trying to approach Dave Sim’s work with as few preconceived notions as possible, and I think we can have much more productive and interesting discussions if more people try to do the same with me.

Also, I have no idea why Leigh just got called sexist.

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By: CCBC http://cereblog.org/2009/01/13/the-bleached-skeleton-of-a-less-lucky-man-laura-on-cerebus-2/#comment-86 CCBC Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:14:18 +0000 http://cereblog.org/?p=53#comment-86 Maybe this succubus/incubus thing is played out, but: Part of the problem with a succubus is that it is a desirable monster. The current mythic analogue would be a vampire, I think. The concept of a Demon Lover is well-known in folklore. In other words, both men and women fear they may fall prey to their own desires. The manner in which this fear is packaged may tell you something about the society that holds a specific myth (and I doubt the succubus of today's Dungeon 'n' Dragons mythology has much to do with that of its ancient predecessors) but the force of the concept has to do with archetypal notions that are part of our (m&f) common humanity. Maybe this succubus/incubus thing is played out, but: Part of the problem with a succubus is that it is a desirable monster. The current mythic analogue would be a vampire, I think. The concept of a Demon Lover is well-known in folklore. In other words, both men and women fear they may fall prey to their own desires. The manner in which this fear is packaged may tell you something about the society that holds a specific myth (and I doubt the succubus of today’s Dungeon ‘n’ Dragons mythology has much to do with that of its ancient predecessors) but the force of the concept has to do with archetypal notions that are part of our (m&f) common humanity.

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By: Jeremy http://cereblog.org/2009/01/13/the-bleached-skeleton-of-a-less-lucky-man-laura-on-cerebus-2/#comment-85 Jeremy Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:08:56 +0000 http://cereblog.org/?p=53#comment-85 Leigh, Would that include putting words in my mouth as well? You seem fully capable of sexist bullshit. It works both ways and making assumptions doesn't help which is why I asked Laura about what she had read in the first place. Leigh,
Would that include putting words in my mouth as well? You seem fully capable of sexist bullshit. It works both ways and making assumptions doesn’t help which is why I asked Laura about what she had read in the first place.

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